Trailers and abridged scenes from major studios are not allowed.
There are certainly entries in StashDB that have mixed hashes from free versions of a scene and paywalled full scenes. Are hashes of abridged scenes to be deleted?
What alternative database may information about abridged “free” versions go into? I would like to add this information to the Guidelines page linked above.
Not everyone has access to full scenes. I’d even say more people have no access than the other way around.
Is it worth the effort to create a new type of scene that has a “abridged” tag and links back to the original?
IIRC there is no database for abridged or trailer scenes.
Is it worth the effort to create a new type of scene that has a “abridged” tag and links back to the original?
maybe if and when split-scene movies land, then we can link partial scenes back to “full” scenes
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Scenes could receive a “full_scene_id” data column that accepts a StashDB scene ID. That way scenes could link back and forth. Abridged versions are accounted for and do not mix with full versions.
This might introduce confusion as these full scenes and abridged versions often share similar names etc., but on the other hand the confusion is already there today as seen in the hashes of short versions that link to the full scene.
Maybe an obvious visual label in the DB for abridged versions would help.
Happy if that discussion makes it into your core team. Would be glad to find a place to put info about free scenes.
That guideline seems to refer to creating a separate scene entry in StashDB for a trailer or abridged scene, and furthermore is specific to the context of Pornhub. I don’t think it is meant to prohibit adding fingerprints to an existing scene for a trailer or abridged version of that scene. I don’t see why doing so should be a problem, and as OP says there are a lot of hashes like this on StashDB already.
The main issue I see is that if you match abridged or trailer versions of a scene to the full scene those shorter versions may be missing content as it relates to the scene tags which would be applied to to those versions when scraping.
Actually, I’ve encountered a few studios that offer abridged versions for download - Naughty America being a major one. So certainly not just an exception for PHub
At the (Stash) client end, scenes that have a reasonably shorter (not just a different title card) length to the canonical full scene length should notify the user when browsing that it’s a trailer/bridged and shorter than the canonical lengh.
All the scenes created in StashDB should be full scenes. I don’t think it helps to have trailers or very short ‘tube’ versions as scenes in StashDB as separate listings.
What we really need is a ‘per fingerprint’ tag or similar.
For scenes that aren’t trailers / maybe are ‘full’ but different cuts I think we should do different entries. (Eg, if there’s a version with a different watermark and 98% the same content). As that’s really a ‘full version’ that is slightly different.
The trailer hashes being associated with a full version really helps people de-duplicate if they downloaded a clip and later went and downloaded the full version, so having some kind of association is really helpful. And people will match these to something if they don’t exist, especially if they’re looking to get the right performers on their short version etc so any rule against that would be fighting gravity.