Adult Time "Network"

[bluejay2k]

Adult Time has a huge collection of scenes from hundreds of different sites, obviously they have their own originals but also a large number of redistributions from other studios. For example Blacked, Tushy Raw, Swallowed, etc, all listed as different “channels”.

These scenes tend to vary in their similarity to their matching scenes on their parent site, for example the Blacked scenes all have different names and durations, while for example Black Money Erotica seems to match 1-to-1 with what’s on their own website. Should each Adult Time “channel” have it’s own Stash studio page?

[AdultSun]

Continuing from Discord, Adult Time has always been a confusing network for me. I don’t know what the members area looks like and the public pages throw a lot of redirects to the join page when trying to navigate, so it’s hard to get a sense of how everything is organized.

For example, it’s difficult to figure out what the difference between a “channel” and a “series” is for them, which sub-studios are marked as one or the other, what studios are considered an “original” or not, which seemingly stand-alone networks with their own sub-studios are included in an Adult Time subscription (if any), and on and on.

@bluejay2k

Should each Adult Time “channel” have it’s own Stash studio page?

It sounds like the same situation as the “TeamSkeet X” collection of redistributions, so I think it’s fine to add them. I would make sure the metadata for each scene matches Adult Time’s info (especially the release date), add prod. dates when you can (approximate YYYY-MM when based on original’s release date, not YYYY-MM-DD), list them under a clearly marked Adult Time sub-studio (establish a consistent naming pattern, like Black Money Erotica (Adult Time)), and always attach the redistribution tag.

That’s a little different from “should they be added” though. I don’t think adding those studios and scenes should be a priority necessarily, especially when compared to the original releases of those same scenes. But the precedent is there from TeamSkeet, and Stash-Box has enough features in place to organize them properly, so it’s certainly something we can handle now.

[Ronnie711]

@AdultSun

For example, it’s difficult to figure out what the difference between a “channel” and a “series” is for them

Think of Channel to be similar to ‘Innocent High’ at TeamSkeet or ‘Teens Like It Big’ at Brazzers. Series are a group of scenes within a channel - In Stash usage I’d liken Channels to be ‘Studios’ & Series to be ‘Groups’

As an introduction into how it hangs together, OldDude (Who else!) dumped an excel file on Discord which shows how it all hangs together - Discord

[AdultSun]

See, that’s how I would define those terms personally, but those definitions don’t always line up the way I assume they should with Adult Time’s examples.

Looking at olddude’s spreadsheet (thanks for that by the way), it seems the terminology breaks down for me when the “parent” of the “series” is Adult Time itself. Some of these are limited runs like JOI Mom, but others have been around for years like Go Stuck Yourself. In another example, Mommy’s Boy looks to have regularly scheduled releases every two weeks for years now, which to me screams channel/sub-studio, not series/group.

Again, it’s really just the “original series” from Adult Time that have an inconsistent definition. None of the other series jump out at me as weird, but I also haven’t looked any of them up to double-check.

[Ronnie711]

@AdultSun

Some of these are limited runs like JOI Mom, but others have been around for years like Go Stuck Yourself. In another example, Mommy’s Boy looks to have regularly scheduled releases every two weeks for years now, which to me screams channel/sub-studio, not series/group.

You got me …

    "mainChannel": {
        "id": "mommysboy",
        "name": "Mommy’s Boy",
        "type": "series"

Found an ‘destroy studio’ edit from last year which sums up where my deep dive last year ended up:

Sooo … Community scraper is currently grabbing ‘Serie_name’ as the “Studio”. This can be mostly correct but if there is a series within a “series” then it starts to go completely wrong …

When browsing Adult Time/Girlsway etc etc etc. if a series has it’s own page then it’s a channel

From the JSON of one of the “Family Siblings” scenes:

    "channels": [
        {
            "id": "adulttimepilots",
            "name": "Adult Time Pilots",
            "type": "pilot"
        },
        {
            "id": "adulttime",
            "name": "Adult Time",
            "type": "network"
        }
    ],
    "mainChannel": {
        "id": "adulttimepilots",
        "name": "Adult Time Pilots",
        "type": "pilot"
    },

It’s visible via Adult Time or Adult Time Original Channels but it’s home is Pilots.

TLDR: Serie name has no useful grouping or visibility on their website, Channels/sub-channels is how they label them.

StashDB

So, yup you’re right it doesn’t actually make any sense

‘mainchannel’ is the only truth I work by when scraping because it’s the only thing consistent!

[AdultSun]

Ultimately, I don’t think there’s much we can do on StashDB right now about any Adult Time series that maybe/probably shouldn’t be a sub-studio. I’d want to be able to save those scene relationships as “groups” within StashDB before removing any of them. Sounds like we’ll also want to double-check the community scrapers’ handling of those as sub-studios/groups first, but I don’t fully understand the situation there either. Until then, a lot of this discussion is theoretical.

Something we’d be able to handle sooner is figuring out the difference is between Adult Time, Adult Time (Network), and Adult Time Originals as studios/parents on StashDB. It’s possible those are already organized properly, but the whole system is still so confusing to me that I couldn’t say either way. Whatever the deal is there, I expect getting multiple levels of studio hierarchies into Stash-Box would help too.

Relating back to the original question about redistributions, I see there’s already an Adult Time x Vixen sub-studio with only one scene, both of which were created by olddude a while back. It borrows the same naming convention as TeamSkeet’s redistribution channels (though the x is lowercase here) and MortonBridges made a custom SVG combining the existing logos. Honestly I’m fine with whatever naming we land on for all of these, as long as we keep them consistent.

Apparently he also made a sub-studio for AdultPrime x MetArt Network, but that one doesn’t have any scenes or a custom logo.

[Ronnie711]

@AdultSun

Something we’d be able to handle sooner is figuring out the difference is between Adult Time, Adult Time (Network), and Adult Time Originals as studios/parents on StashDB

Both Adult Time & Adult Time Originals are both listed at network level, I’ve presuming The reason to have (network) and non-network versions is to avoid having scenes just dumped at the network level.

[bluejay2k]

@AdultSun

That’s a little different from “should they be added” though. I don’t think adding those studios and scenes should be a priority necessarily, especially when compared to the original releases of those same scenes.

Totally get it, I just have my own personal collection of scenes that fit this category that I’d like to get organized and listed.

@AdultSun

list them under a clearly marked Adult Time sub-studio (establish a consistent naming pattern)

Based on the two current sub-studios, I’ll make any new ones match that naming convention, Adult Time x (network).

Now to jump into more of the organizational stuff that may not currently need fixing/we may not be able to adjust at this point. For example, all Devil’s Film is published through Adult Time. It’s listed as an “Adult Time Studio,” while their sub-studios are listed as “Adult Time Series.” For a comparison, look at the public pages for Devil’s Film and Out of the Family. From the members side, both member page URL’s refer to them as “channels,” with Out of the Family having a little note (outlined in red) saying that it’s a part of Devil’s Film.

@AdultSun

I expect getting multiple levels of studio hierarchies into Stash-Box would help too

We’ve got a Russian nesting doll of studios and sub-studios here, I think in an ideal world we would be able to slide the Stash page of Devil’s Film into the Adult Time network, and then have all the Devil’s Film sub-studios stay within their “parent studio.”

There is at least one sub-studio until Adult Time (Network) that should be under a different “parent studio” (also under the Adult Time umbrella). White Ghetto is shown on their visitors page to be a “series” rather than stand-alone channel, and from the members side is listed as part of “Fame Digital.” All other Fame Digital sub-studios such as Silvia Saint are correctly organized under their parent studio, so this imo should be a quick fix. (Fame Digital, and 21sextury are other studios who, one day, should be under the Adult Time umbrella on Stash as they both list themselves as Adult Time studios).

Original Content

@AdultSun

what studios are considered an “original” or not

From the members side, Adult Time brands all their “original content” with their logo next to the scene title, seen here in red.

For redistribution studios, such as Tushy Raw, there is no logo (nsfw image)

Where this can get confusing is for studios such as MixedX or Agent Red Girl, which are listed as Adult Time Partners. Even though MixedX doesn’t seem to be publishing content anywhere else, their scenes do not have the logo next to their titles. But since they aren’t publishing scenes anywhere else, they sit in a weird grey area. I wonder if it’s a matter of owning rights? For example all 21sextury scenes are listed as “originals,” even ones dating back to before the studio was acquired by Adult Time. Partners are below channels owned by Adult Time, but above pure redistribution studios who are publishing scenes elsewhere? That makes the most sense to me, but I don’t really think they should be treated any differently than another Adult Time studio.

@AdultSun

it seems the terminology breaks down for me when the “parent” of the “series” is Adult Time itself

Another type of Adult Time content that hasn’t been discussed yet is films. Films can be released in three different ways:

• Under an already existing channel (such as Office Ms. Conduct being released under Transfixed)
• Under a channel specifically created for the film (such as Feed Me or Sweet Sweet Sally Mae)
• Under no channel, just the “Adult Time” parent (Birth)

While not true for all series, quite a few sub-studios under Adult Time Originals fit the second bullet point.

From the member side, all three of these examples fall under the Adult Time Film’s channel. While there is an Adult Time Films Stash page, it’s lacking most of the scenes that Adult Time would consider a “film.” If it was up to me, I would move the “Adult Time Films” Stash page into the Adult Time Originals network, and then move any scene that falls under the last two bullets into that sub-studio.

@AdultSun

Something we’d be able to handle sooner is figuring out the difference is between Adult Time, Adult Time (Network), and Adult Time Originals as studios/parents on StashDB. It’s possible those are already organized properly

There are a number of issues with the Adult Time Originals page that go past the Films I mentioned above. One major thing that makes it hard to compare Adult Time studios is that the biggest ones already have their own Stash network pages, such as 21Sextury, Devil’s Film, Fantasy Massage, etc. There are many sub-studios listed that, according to the members area, should be at the same level of studio hierarchy as those mentioned.

For example, HeteroFlexible is listed as just another sub-studio under Adult Time Originals, while on the members page has four “series” (Femboyish, How Men Orgasm, Daddy’s Boy, Jerk Buddies). Those four series are listed under Adult Time Originals instead of under HeteroFlexible on Stash.

Girlsway’s Stash page shows it as head of it’s own network, with multiple sub-studios under it, when in reality Girlsway falls under the Adult Time network, and those listen sub-studios appear as series on its Adult Time page.

Girlsway and HeteroFlexible are presented in the same way on the Adult Time site, but are organized very differently on Stash. Modern-Day Sins and Transfixed are other main studios that are relegated to being sub-studios of Adult Time Originals, unable to accurately display the scenes/series underneath them.

You can see there’s very large disconnect in how Adult Time studios are treated, but this again brings us back to the Russian nesting doll example from earlier. If we were to make a diagram for a scene in Girlsway vs HeteroFlexible it should look something like this:

• Adult Time (Network) Girlsway (Studio) Mommy’s Girl (Series/sub-studio) “Scene Title”
• Adult Time (Network) HeteroFlexible (Studio) Femboyish (Series/sub-studio) “Scene Title”

For Adult Time Series that do not have a “parent” studio such as Girlsway, I think that that is where we use the “Adult Time Originals” Network, for example:

• Adult Time (Network) Adult Time Originals (Studio) Preggo World (Series/sub-studio) “Scene Title”

Now obviously Stash doesn’t currently have the ability to go this many layers deep, but hopefully at some point in the future we can organize this mess much better.

[Ronnie711]

@bluejay2k

Girlsway’s Stash page shows it as head of it’s own network, with multiple sub-studios under it,

It would be great to get them all under AT on StashDB.

Unfortunately there’s a hierarchy limitation, say for Mommy’s Girl - At AT that’s Adult Time > Girlsway > Mommy’s Girl. For StashDB we’re limited to A>B, it’s better to keep the sub studio hierarchy but lose the network/Owner relationship at the moment.

[bluejay2k]

I totally understand - that leaves the question of if we want to move other main studios, such as Transfixed, out of Adult Time Originals so that we can preserve their sub-studios as we’ve done for Girlsway